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The Salvation Army Shameful

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Author: Madashellandnotgoingtotakeit

I have listed the Virginia address, where the National Commander resides and reigns over his kingdom of ministers spread throughout the U.S.A. This organization is one of the (If not THE) richest charities in the country. They appeal to good-hearted people as a 'poor' charity that 'does the most good' for people. They helpp themselves, mostly. I had opportunity to see them over quite a few years, in various locations. The scam is this: 1. Take some people that attend church for awhile, or the kids of existing officers, send them to 'school' and teach them to become officers, then send them out to various cities to either become assistants, or to be in charge of the local organization. 2. Once in charge, these people are not supervised, other than whether they raise their quotas of donations and pay the higher up people a 10% share of their monies raised. Since they are generally ignorant and incompetent, but since they are 'ministers', they get away with all kinds of abuse and mismanagement, as well as illegal activities in some cases. 3. To further the problem, The Salvation Army is top heavy with older officers and has huge administrative costs, which they try to disguise to donors as 'program' costs. The officers rarely do anything, other than bark orders (no matter how ridiculous), so they have to hire outsiders to do their work, driving costs up even more. Most of their 'program' costs are church-related activities, which are basically related to the ministers' costs. 4. The entire organization, including the National Commander, are in the 'brotherhood of the church' and refuse to see anything bad or negative about the place, even with proof of problems. Their responses are to dump any complaints back to the original source, or to the persons complained about, for THEM to resolve! That's like asking the fox to resolve the issue of his eating the chickens! Why do they cover up for each other? *Mainly, to preserve a great deal for their ministers and their families. The organization raises billions yearly (they could pay off the national debt today!), which mainly (I'd estimate 80%) goes to pay for salaries of TSA (The Salvation Army) ministers, their wives, their kids' needs, their vehicles (these are for 'church' use, yet are almost always unmarked?), their vehicle gasoline, their vehicle insurance, kids drive the cars too, their home phones, their cell phones, their utilities, their houses (these are usually $500,000 homes in great areas-what's Israel live in?), their trips to 'conferences', their ful medical/dental for them, spouses and kids (even adult children with them). And, they get food for free, plus petty cash for anything in between. Not bad, but it gets worse: Each one of these dill rods also has to have an assistant set of officers to run the church, or to run programs, or just to be the whipping boy (if right out of their 'college'). Yeah, each set of 'assistants' is also given all the freebies listed above. You could estimate the costs for houses, living expenses and salaries (and retirement perks deferred for them) per couple as $100,000 per year EASILY, and that's not counting the higher up people like in Virginia. So what happens when you report fraud, mismanagement, abuse or other problems? *First, they deny or ignore it, hoping it will go away. Then, they take anything you report, send it in total back to the origin of the complaint for them to resolve! Like washing their hands of the problem?? The minister that is responsible for the problem simply either explains it away (this is always taken at their word, since they are 'ministers' too), or blames someone else that is not an officer (ie, throw them under a bus?). In the worst case, such as legal problems (there are documented reports of minister couples having violent DV situations, officers stealing money, officers' kids abusing cars or property, molestation concerns, etc) what does the Salvation Army do? They simply move the offender to a different location far away. This is regular and common, but they call it 'answering the Lord's call to move' or some silly crap, which is used for many things. People working for The Salvation Army (regular employees) are treated very badly, including harassment by the ministers, other staff, church people. There is no recourse because of the fact the Salvation Army is seen as a holy institution, no one believes it, especially the public that keeps giving them money. They pay well below the local average in wages, explaining that the employee is working for a 'poor' organization doing the 'lord's work' and shouldn't expect high wages-most employees are under Federal Poverty guidelines due to the organization's own set salary scales! When the officers hire their own kids or parents to work (yep, it's nepotism, happens ALL the time), they get paid above average wages, or overpaid for less work. Nice. Why are wages low? To pay for the extravagant lifestyles of many of the officers! They run low on money due to mismanagement, they simply lay off employees and make the remaining crew work harder-the officers don't help, they are 'busy'. If a good lawyer or person that does reporting/news wanted to have a great story, investigate this place. It's amazing. Contact current and ex employees, they'll tell you the real story about the harassment and abuse by officers. By the way, when you donate your property, it is sold and the money goes into big old trust funds that are invested to make even more money; these are used to buy the big houses the officers live in. Start with the local Salvation Army property lists- just look at the values, go see the houses. If you investigate officers, just look at the costs in their accounting offices for just them and their families-forget the 'church' cost excuses. Every local Salvation Army officer is taught to 'poor mouth'. They appear pious on TV and say 'we're not going to be able to feed anyone this year' and look at the ground. Donations then pour in, usually more money than anything else, all is good again. Same routines with special events, toys, programs, etc. They fundraise to pay themselves/buy new cars and toys. What a joke! My advice to any good church person, Christian, or donor: DO NOT give the Salvation Army a dime, now or ever!! They are a classic Rip-Off. Don't believe the lies about 'doing the most good'. Those Red Kettles raise money that never sees a poor person, it goes into the 'general fund' which is the officers' pockets! Any program run there (like shelters, food, etc) is paid for mainly by government funding (oh yes, they get HUD money, state money, local government money, FEMA) that restricts the usage-they've tried for years to circumvent government regulations to allow use in the church, to no avail. The Salvation Army was a great organization before 1980. They were respected and built a wonderful reputation. Then, they got greedy. Now, it's all about getting a piece of the pie for themselves. In the pre-greed era, the Sally ministers were few, worked very hard and lived simply. They helped people in need, had few staff and litle administrative support. Now, it's PR directors, HR departments, Admin support, mail appeal (yes, they pay companies to raise even more money!), wills and estates experts, legal teams, IT departments- none of this crap is program related!

salvationarmy commented on 11 May 2012, 14:28:51
All these comments are exactly correct. But it gets worse. Their so-called rehab programs are filled with drugs - usage and drug dealing. No one puts a stop to it because they need the free labor. If someone is caught on drugs he is slapped on the hand and life goes on. The officer has little to do with a man's progress in the program - just concerned if he can work. It saves The Army money so they can have more to spend all vacation and personal expenses. Don't dare try to report them to their superiors - they come after the complaintive. I do not understand how The Salvation Army is able to evade paying taxes with all the illegal activity they do. The officers charge personal expenses to the company by the millions.

Searching commented on 19 May 2012, 16:21:11
Thank you. Thank you. I saw all of these things take place in a Salvation Army and thought it was an isolated incident. You have really helped me to understand the workings of the Salvation Army better, so now I can heal. Thank you. Thank you.

commented on 20 Jun 2012, 02:48:10
Obviously this person is disgruntle, probably because they were caught doing something or they did not get the hand out they thought they were entitled to. They don't even know what they are talking about. First, officers have to give up everything to serve. These houses they are complaining about are average and are no different then what I get as a Methodist minister-it is called a you even know all the benefits all ministers and non profit managers receive? Try looking at the mega churches and what their ministers get. Try looking at other non profit agencies. Try looking at our government.Look at the benefits they get.
As far as their children- you don't know what they go through. As far as barking orders-sounds like to me that this individual had an "I am higher than I am" mentality and wanted to get paid and do nothing. An officer is in charge, just like any boss.Unfortunately, America has raised a generation of: I am entitled and I will do as I want and you will pay me for it. No matter where you work in the is world, dear there is always someone over you and if they "bark" or tell you what to do that is the way it is. It is not how you perceive how things are done but how you choose to react that will make the difference. You just might want to get a mirror.Oh and PS all these financial benefits you think they receive because you are looking from the outside-they pay taxes on all of them, nothing is free-including the little piddle of a "great salary" you think they get. Compared to the average minister or social worker they make on the average of $30,000 less. Believe me, they work and they work had,sometimes to their own detriment. The problem is that they often have to deal with low life people who are always looking to scam or want "their entitled hand out". I'm sure you know the ones they make their rounds every month. They come to us for their power. They go to the local rescue mission for their meals and then the hit the Salvation Army up for rent, while all along they are spending their government subsidies on tobacco, drugs and alcohol.
As far as there being drugs and alcohol around their rehab centers there just may be. What did this individual do to make any difference? Addicts will also lie cheat and steel to get a fix- it happens everywhere.
As far as them being top heavy with older officers- they may be. But most of these officers dedicated their lives even before they left high school. And many may have decided to come in after having other careers.Guess what?-For those who came in later in life-they do not even get all the same rank as those who chose to serve immediately.They are often auxiliary.Additionally, I don't suppose you ever heard of the federal anti age law? What are they supposed to do-just get rid of any one over the age of 45? That is being done in our country by corporations and America will suffer eventually for this lack of respect. Eventually the government will have to put a stop to this. Anther thing about the government is that regulate and limit exactly what the Salvation Army or any of us churches and non profits can do-so what you may believe as not being treated a certain way or not spending on this or that may actually be out of their control.
The bottom line is that you or no one else will be satisfied and see the help offered in love if you are not loving yourself. So get off your high horse. When was the last time you totally sacrificed for anyone. Nasty attitudes= a nasty heart. If you look for lemons you will find them but if you have a pure heart you will know how to make lemonaid. God reminds us that if a man will not work then he should not eat. In other words all of us can only do so much and each and every individual has a responsibility has well.
A large part of suffering comes from greed and selfishness. Bitterness will kill you. Mother Teresa once said............"But the greatest suffering is being lonely, feeling unloved, having no one". You might want to look deep in your heart and figure out what you are missing-the love, patience and understanding of Jesus Christ.

saworker commented on 01 Jul 2012, 18:56:45
When I began working with the SA I did it with a pure heart and wanting to give back. What I have found is so very sad.
The officers first priority is raising money. Next is PR. Helping their fellow man is way down on their list of priorities.
All money, each and every cent that is given to clients in the form of rental asst. fuel,... comes form government grants. The SA itself does not use money it collects in the form of their red kettle campaign or their mail appeals for this. I repeat, that is your tax money at work in the form of gov grants.
You ask, where is the money that I put in the kettles? It goes to administation.
What really breaks my heart is the way people are being scammed. Mail appeal is one example. Letters are sent to people in the community asking for $15 to feed a family. People send in their hard earned moeny thinking their money goes to feeding people. Not one penny is used to buy food at the SA I am involved with. When I asked about this, I was told this money is used to pay for salary and utilites to keep the panty open. Is this what the donors believe their money is going for? An other one is please send money for back to school supplies. How much goes for that? You guessed it. Nada. When and if anything is given to children, it comes from actualy donations that people bring in not money that is donated.
Christmas is one of the saddest of all times. Again, not one penny is spent buying toys for children or food. This again is all donated thru the kind hearts of others. The money that is collected in those red kettles is used to maintain their real estate and wages for their officers. It so breaks my heart to see small children putting in their change thinking it is helping poor people. It does not. Again your tax dollars in the form of grants go to help the poor.
I have been praying about this situation for a while. As much as I want to be of help to my fellow man, by being part of this scam I am as much of the problem. I know in my heart I will have to break from the SA as my very soul is in danger.
I tell everyone I meet to please not donate to the SA. Find a family or person in need and give to them directly. Do not use the SA or any organization to do that for you. commented on 08 Mar 2013, 20:10:50



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